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Post by Mike Hulse on Mar 30, 2015 11:39:27 GMT -5
I started this thread to keep track of rules issues that come up during this season for consideration prior to next season.
Feel free to post any problems you see with the rules as they currently are written.
1. Better definition for the handling of Cuban exiles who sign with an MLB team. 2. Possible protection for minor leaguers with expiring contracts who retain rookie-eligible status. 3. Possible inclusion of all minor league players on the ESPN roster. 4. Ability to choose released players in the FA Draft. 5. Eliminate the 180 start limit for SP's.
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Post by Penumbraville Panthers on Mar 30, 2015 16:23:09 GMT -5
I think we should be able to trade any players under contract, provided that they are on the 26-man active roster for the 48 hour period of the trade process.
For instance, I have Gaby Sanchez (in Japan) under contract, inexplicably signed by the person that previously owned my team. Provided that he's one of the players on my 26 man roster, If I wanted to free up 3/1 by trading him to someone, and (say) give them a future draft pick to take his contract, why can't we do that (like real life)? It is still voted upon by the league and could be struck down if it was too lopsided.
In a related matter, I think people should also be able to trade albatross contracts for a negotiated amount. For instance, Beast was looking to unload Choo's 10/4 deal. I think people should be able to make him a dollar offer to take the player and share the burden with him. For example, Beast covers 6/4 of the contract and the team that takes him covers 4/4. Years could also be factored into the equation somehow, but to get our feet wet, I say just dollars are negotiable.
My two cents.
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Post by Mike Hulse on Mar 30, 2015 16:53:28 GMT -5
Dean - for your first suggestion, I'm not sure why anyone would do that deal with you. If I wanted Sanchez I could just pick him up from your released list and not give up anything in return.
BTW -Gaby is a holdover from two or three owners ago. His original contract was 3/5. Does that make it feel better?
Will need to do some geologizing on your second comment.
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Post by Brooklyn Cobesters on Mar 30, 2015 17:34:46 GMT -5
Dean is saying that he would send the pick along with Gaby. He would get the cap space and the other guy would get the pick and the bad contract. Actually don't mind trades that free up cap space as value in a deal but don't like the idea of being able to trade players you don't own the rights to. Pick the player up 1st and then trade them and we can evaluate each trade on the merits.
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Post by Mike Hulse on Mar 30, 2015 17:48:27 GMT -5
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Post by Mike Hulse on Mar 30, 2015 17:57:22 GMT -5
Thanx for the clarification, Scott - I had misread it the first time.
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Post by Penumbraville Panthers on Mar 30, 2015 18:03:51 GMT -5
Actually don't mind trades that free up cap space as value in a deal but don't like the idea of being able to trade players you don't own the rights to. Pick the player up 1st and then trade them and we can evaluate each trade on the merits. This is the reason I specified adding the player to the 26-man roster before being able to process the trade.
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Post by Penumbraville Panthers on Mar 30, 2015 18:06:13 GMT -5
This makes it feel a whole hell of a lot better. Glad I used him as an example!
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Post by Mike Hulse on Mar 30, 2015 18:32:06 GMT -5
The idea of a mechanism that allows contracted players to be acquired at closer to their current value rather than their old contract price has some appeal. The old owner continuing to carry a portion of the contract while the new owner carries the rest. No dollars are gained or lost in total. Makes everything more complicated, but more like the real world.
If we were to do that, I think there would have to be a time limit on when it could be done - in other words, a trading deadline. Trading salary cap is open to more interpretation than just trading players and draft picks. The value of $1 million in salary cap is worth a lot less in early-March than it is in late-September.
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Post by Machado About Nothing on Mar 30, 2015 20:17:28 GMT -5
This makes it feel a whole hell of a lot better. Glad I used him as an example! Hey - that's not right! If Gaby Sanchez was available for 1st round bids, I'm sure my predecessor would have bid 10/5 at a #1 priority, so I'd have him on my roster right now alongside some of the other stellar players like Jon Singleton and Chad Qualls that he valued so highly. I think we should vote on this.
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Post by The Beast on Mar 30, 2015 21:15:23 GMT -5
I know the Gabby thing is solved, but I hadn't even thought about that ass it happens so rarely. Do you think cutting the salary of a player that ends up in Japan is a possibility? It's kind of like retiring.
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Post by Penumbraville Panthers on Mar 30, 2015 21:45:52 GMT -5
It's been brought up in the past, but we determined it wasn't really retiring, and people were responsible for the contract.
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Post by Mike Hulse on Mar 30, 2015 23:06:21 GMT -5
Dean is right. This came up last year with Youkilis, and the conclusion was that he hadn't retired and could still return to MLB. (In the end, he didn't.)
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Post by Penumbraville Panthers on Mar 30, 2015 23:30:14 GMT -5
If we were to do that, I think there would have to be a time limit on when it could be done - in other words, a trading deadline. Trading salary cap is open to more interpretation than just trading players and draft picks. The value of $1 million in salary cap is worth a lot less in early-March than it is in late-September. Yeah, I would have no problem setting a deadline of June 30th, All-Star Break, or July 31st...something like that. At least it gives people the opportunity to attempt to get out of cap hell.
Also, I don't see any reason not to continue to discuss this and vote on it for this season sometime in the next week or two after we've discussed this. Anything to at least consider it, even if for next season, is a step in the right direction.
Also, don't sleep on the trading of bad contracts (the Gaby Sanchez suggestion).
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Post by Mike Hulse on Mar 30, 2015 23:44:16 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, the only way we make a fundamental rule change during a current season is by unanimous agreement of all owners.
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